November 9 and we are in our last days in Scottsdale, for this trip. Today we spent a couple of hours at the Desert Botanical Garden in Papago Park, and were amazed again by the desert. It was only 84F, a far cry from the 115F it can be in the summer, and even so it was hot and so dry it is hard to imagine that indigenas populations were able to survive. We've been told that Phoenix doesn't actually have a water problem, also hard to imagine.